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Post by Alan Hayes on May 29, 2019 4:34:32 GMT 12
I believe My Old Man was based on a one off that Ronnie Corbett did in the series Seven Of One, Open All Hours & Porridge were part of that series.. That's quite correct. Almost.  Ronnie Barker.  My Old Man was indeed based on the BBC2 Seven of One pilot of the same name, but produced by Yorkshire Television with an entirely new cast (headed up, of course, by Clive). |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 29, 2019 11:11:07 GMT 12
The Barker version was funny and watchable. The Dunn version was poorly written and just dreadful. I can see why the BBC never took up the series and let ITV grab it.
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Post by Andy Howells on May 31, 2019 19:54:38 GMT 12
I believe My Old Man was based on a one off that Ronnie Corbett did in the series Seven Of One, Open All Hours & Porridge were part of that series.. Ronnie Barker actually Jon. I don't mind My Old Man, although I think given the cast featured it had potential to be a lot funnier. |
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Post by Andy Howells on May 31, 2019 19:57:59 GMT 12
The Barker version was funny and watchable. The Dunn version was poorly written and just dreadful. I can see why the BBC never took up the series and let ITV grab it. Well in all fairness My Old Man wasn't going to come anywhere close to Porridge or Open All Hours, both masterclasses in sitcom and still memorable shows. |
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Post by corporalbutcher on Jul 11, 2019 16:09:10 GMT 12
I'm almost through the dads army series (episode 2 season 10) and I can't believe I've spent all my life without this show. I relate to jones the most, and bless Clive dunn''s soul he passed in 2012. Whish I got to tell him how much I appreciated him. And all the joy he has given me. Also to john beck, who died too soon, and it still hurts. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 11, 2019 16:16:10 GMT 12
James Beck, rather than John.
Yes I know what you mean. I discovered Dad's Army in 1985 as a 14 year old and felt gutted when I learned that Arthur Lowe, John Le Mesurier, John Laurie, Arnold Ridley, James Beck and Teddy Sinclair was dead by then. I was lucky though to make contact with and become friends with the remaining cast and the writers. Now there are so few left.
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Post by petere on Jul 14, 2019 17:39:37 GMT 12
James Beck, rather than John. Yes I know what you mean. I discovered Dad's Army in 1985 as a 14 year old and felt gutted when I learned that Arthur Lowe, John Le Mesurier, John Laurie, Arnold Ridley, James Beck and Teddy Sinclair was dead by then. I was lucky though to make contact with and become friends with the remaining cast and the writers. Now there are so few left. Yes it must have been fantastic to be have been able to communicate with the people behind it all. And also great for us here at the forum as there is so much extra knowledge that is so generously shared😊. I learn new things every time I check in! |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 11, 2019 13:45:21 GMT 12
So it seems that Clive Dunn was appearing live on stage as L/Cpl Jones as early as 1971. I knew he had a touring cabaret but I did not realise he did it as Jones!! Now I wonder when it began, since his 1970 LP album was focused on Jones too. This is from the Liverpool Echo, 3 March 1971  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 11, 2019 15:24:21 GMT 12
Coventry Evening Telegraph - Wednesday 23 March 1977
DAD'S ARMY STAR"S WIFE BADLY HURT
PRISCILLA MORGAN, actress wife of Dad's Army TV star Cive Dunn, was badly hurt in a road accident today. Mr Dunn was also injured, but left hospital after treatment for chest injuries. He later returned to his wife's bedside. The couple were passengers in a Mini driven by Donald Sinden's son, Jeremy. Mr Jeremy Sinden's girlfriend Sally Osbourne was also badly hurt. Police say that each has a fractured pelvis.
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Post by Alan Hayes on Aug 12, 2019 0:47:46 GMT 12
And the good news about that report is that Priscilla pulled through and ended up outliving Clive. I'd not heard about this, or of Clive's chest injuries. Very lucky the accident wasn't more serious for all concerned.
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Post by Andy Howells on Aug 12, 2019 7:56:10 GMT 12
Interesting articles! I wonder if Clive needed any agreement with Jimmy and David to appear as Jonesy? I suspect they were a little more laid back about such things as you rarely see anything on the records saying "By arrangement with..." I suspect he appeared as Jonesy in a sequence during To see Such Fun, he certainly appears in costume in the programme as he does as his Grandad character...
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Post by JM2461 on Aug 12, 2019 11:29:49 GMT 12
Interesting articles! I wonder if Clive needed any agreement with Jimmy and David to appear as Jonesy? I suspect they were a little more laid back about such things as you rarely see anything on the records saying "By arrangement with..." I suspect he appeared as Jonesy in a sequence during To see Such Fun, he certainly appears in costume in the programme as he does as his Grandad character... I've often wondered about things like that. Over the years actors have appeared "elsewhere" playing their well known characters, even in commercials and adverts. In Australia, Warren Mitchell used to do TV adverts as Alf Garnett, advertising various things. I assume they have to get permission from the creators of the characters, in that case, Johnny Speight, and maybe the BBC? I wouldn't have thought they'd have been too much in favour of it, the evils of commercialism, etc, etc. |
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Post by Alan Hayes on Aug 12, 2019 12:18:55 GMT 12
I don't think TV companies were as obsessed with brands or image rights in those days, though I'm sure that when actors appeared in character outside the TV series concerned they'd have OKed things with their bosses, out of courtesy.
These days the BBC even have a 'Brand Protection' department which I suspect it's not a good idea to fall foul of...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 13, 2019 0:06:08 GMT 12
I do know that Jimmy Perry told me he was livid that Arthur and John did an adverts for Cadbury's as the company had not asked permission. However when you look at the ad they are not actually playing Mainwaring and Wilson, just two officers. But I think it was the image being so reminiscent of Mainwaring and Wilson that upset Jimmy. Perhaps he was wanting some chocolate in return.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 13, 2019 0:10:37 GMT 12
These days the BBC even have a 'Brand Protection' department which I suspect it's not a good idea to fall foul of... And yet with so much utter tat out there on the market using Dad's Army branding to sell itself it makes you wonder if they have passed scrutiny of this office. I'll bet most of it is unknown to the BBC and the estates of Perry and Croft. |
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Post by Alan Hayes on Aug 13, 2019 1:32:10 GMT 12
Couldn't agree with you more, but I do think the mugs, socks, and other such stuff is licensed. Pity it's so awful!
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Post by Andy Howells on Aug 14, 2019 4:08:15 GMT 12
Its saturation for a merchandise market though. I mean look at Friends, theres more merchandise based on that series now than there was 20 years ago when it was on the screens (they've even just announced a Lego set - imagine if Dad's Army suddenly got one of those?).
I spent a good few years collecting original books, games etc... I didn't get everything but I'm happy with my lot! I've had a few of the newer items bought me as presents but some of them have taken a turn for the worse of late and I certainly don't rush out and buy things now because they've got Dad's Army written on them. I didn't even bother with the Radio Times special last year because it looked like a lot of repeating of material that I already had!
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Post by Alan Hayes on Aug 14, 2019 11:45:52 GMT 12
Is it worth splitting off the discussion about merchandise? I think there's a lot to be said but it's not really a Clive Dunn topic.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 14, 2019 19:41:36 GMT 12
Problem is it is not too easy to split off. How about we stop talking about it here now, and if there's anything more to be said, whoever wants to say it can start a new thread on merchandise.
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Post by Alan Hayes on Aug 14, 2019 21:06:39 GMT 12
Problem is it is not too easy to split off. How about we stop talking about it here now, and if there's anything more to be said, whoever wants to say it can start a new thread on merchandise. There's a clean break to be had with Andy's post above:
Post by Andy Howells on Aug 11, 2019 at 8:56pm
Interesting articles! ....etc
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